A riveting profile of Derek Warwick

A riveting profile of Derek Warwick

You’re gonna love this. You won’t want it to end – THAT’S how great a storyteller Derek is. And it gets better. Tough, smart, articulate, courageous. And a real man. With a real heart too. You’re gonna love this. A must-see. 

97 thoughts on “A riveting profile of Derek Warwick

  1. On the subject of road safety and the ethics of F1 in general …..

    ‘The road-safety lobby is preparing a public-relations offensive against Formula One over its links with the alcohol industry, having successfully thwarted FIA president Jean Todt’s ambitions of a job at the United Nations.’

    ‘In a move reminiscent of when anti-smoking groups forced tobacco sponsorship out of Formula One, European-wide charities are planning to take aim at the sport into the autumn.’

    ‘And the charities have already shown their weight by scuppering Todt’s hopes of becoming a special representative for road safety at the UN.’

    ‘It is understood that an alliance of road safety and anti-alcohol bodies have been given assurances by the UN that Todt will not be given such a high-profile role.’


  2. Hm. Surprised that Lewis’ brakes locked. I thought his gearbox would break in exchange for Nico’s sacrifice at Silverstone. Life is full of the unexpected.

    On the subject of cars or, more specifically, drivers and the sense of entitlement that can induce road rage (see Gina and Jane A’s recent comments), we who live just north of the Golden Gate Bridge have been treated to an incident that appears to contain all the lurid details that make the neighborhood quiver with astonishment and anticipation (and adheres somewhat to this blog’s thread):

    There is a Smart car driven by a 71 year old physician of great renown. There is a Mercedes convertible (with expired registration) driven by a 69 year old male. There is a .357 Magnum. There is a chase down a street aptly named Paradise. There is an attempt of the Mercedes to enter the Smart car’s garage. There is the swift closing of the garage door on the hood of the Mercedes. There is the angry Mercedes driver. There is the fleeing physician who enters his house, grabs his .357, returns to the garage, shoots a warning shot across the street and then two shots into the abdomen of the Mercedes driver.

    Some wag said that in a fight the loser gets shot and the winner goes to jail. Who’s the winner and who’s the loser when the Mercedes is in hospital and the Smart car is out on bail? And who feels the most entitled?


    • The incident is indeed lurid, but the subject is fascinating.

      I’ve been in India three times, and can confidently say that road and traffic conditions are at best co-equal with the world’s most abysmal. That said, I was constantly astonished by the near absence of external signs of road rage, under conditions that would in most of our countries lead to multiple murder.

      Lastly, I can’t help but see some message in the discipline with which traffic is handled, by a collective surrender of authority to the controllers, on the tarmac of a post-thunderstorm airport. Perhaps with robust and widely accepted algorithms the advent of more automated cars will bring relief from what is clearly a very human failing.

  3. I was concerned that the “sudden” ruling and “banning” by the FIA against the suspension system being used in formula 1 would lead to an accident and injury. Could Mr Hamilton’s break failure and smash in qualifying be connected with the decision?

      • That’s not an easy corner. Entry is quite fast and it’s off-camber. Yeah, and some other driverly stuff too. Ha. But seriously, someone goes off there relatively hard EVERY GP weekend (F1 and/or GP2 and/or GP3), so I’m not sure we need to invoke FRIC-related problems. I’d expect that kind of stuff under braking for the hairpin at T6, perhaps, but here again, no one seemed to have significant problems there.

  4. There are some Swedish research results, research on the brain, that show hat a sense of justice is something basic, that people are born with (or at least very basic). But if you get into a group of successful people with a lot of money, this sense of justice is overruled. And you begin to think otherwise.

    I do not have any link, but maybe Dr Gary knows about this. I think these results are great!

    • Thanks for this Gina. There’s been some fascinating work on the neural substrates of morality, justice, etc. Funny enough, I’m preparing these references for an upcoming video blog post. Stay tuned . . .

    • Gina,

      My life requires that I must occasionally interact with men whose net worth ranges from a few million to a billion or so USD. When you said : “…if you get into a group of successful people with a lot of money, this sense of justice is overruled.” You are correct, the Swedish researchers are correct. And why? I would suggest, based on my experience, that wealth has a layering effect, as though the items of currency can, in their physical selves, build walls against the world.

      Imagine the individual who travels only by his private jet, his private yacht, avoids all public accommodations regardless of the number of stars, preferring private homes in wealthy enclaves. You can sometimes find him at art auctions, or vintage car auctions, or rare coin auctions. Whatever is rare he wants, preferably the rarest of the rare, where his winning bid becomes the stuff of whispers.

      How can he not become self-absorbed and isolated to a pathological degree when the only people he acknowledges as sentient are other wealthy self-absorbed, isolated individuals? On occasion, when he sees something he needs to add to his collection, to add to his status, he will leave his closely-guarded nest and venture into the world, all charming and shiny and eager. It can be fun to watch.


      This is an article from Scientific American:
      How Wealth Reduces Compassion
      ‘As riches grow, empathy for others seems to decline’
      “But why would wealth and status decrease our feelings of compassion for others? After all, it seems more likely that having few resources would lead to selfishness. Piff and his colleagues suspect that the answer may have something to do with how wealth and abundance give us a sense of freedom and independence from others. The less we have to rely on others, the less we may care about their feelings. This leads us towards being more self-focused. ”

      • Thanks Lulu – I love this part of Scientific American article as nothing makes my blood boil more than arrogant drivers usually in huge 4 wheel drive ‘Chelsea Tractors’ who look like they would prefer to mow me down rather than give way. I was recently in a car with 3 other women and we were discussing ways to stop this anti-social behaviour. The best was some kind of immobilisation device for motorists who transgressed which could be fired from the small, weak car – ideally something to glue tires to the road.to cause maximum delay and inconvenience to the offender without causing physical injury to anyone. I reckon there would be a huge demand for such a device and vast sums of money to be made!

        ‘In one study, Piff and his colleagues discreetly observed the behavior of drivers at a busy four-way intersection. They found that luxury car drivers were more likely to cut off other motorists instead of waiting for their turn at the intersection. This was true for both men and women upper-class drivers, regardless of the time of day or the amount of traffic at the intersection. In a different study they found that luxury car drivers were also more likely to speed past a pedestrian trying to use a crosswalk, even after making eye contact with the pedestrian’

      • Lulu, You wrote that I was right. Don’t misunderstand, I have nothing to do with the research. Just heard about it yesterday. Thanks for the answer.

  5. Watching the World cup final last night …. the German who got knocked out. They allowed him to play on …only to have him come off a few minutes later clearly unwell and concussed. That can’t have been right, surely?
    Seems to me not even FIFA have got their act together when it comes to potential head injuries. Mind you that doesn’t surprise me!

  6. While the various F1 blogs are still discussing [!] the FIA’s decision to declare Kimi’s crash an accident, I’ve been trying to learn why he isn’t dead. Not only un-dead, but alive and well and ready to suit up for Germany in four days. How does the human body survive a 47G impact? It appears everyone knows the answer except me, so I did some searching and found an excellent website that explains it all. (including why Princess Diana died) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/gravity-forces.html

  7. I found the Derek Warwick inteview fascinating (like most Brits I always prefer the underdog). Interesting too to see his praise for Jean Todt’s sensitivity following his brother’s death. I found it wonderful to see the old footage I grew up watching. James Hunt was my hero as a teenager. Stirling Moss is my new hero as he said it was always most important to him to have the respect of the other drivers. and for making the very brave and sensible decision not to drive again following his brain injury.

  8. I’m thinking that if this blog were called “A Former Doc” many of us wouldn’t be here. It’s the “F1” that grabbed us and, if that’s true, then the news about Mercedes’ hybrid system coming under scrutiny might knock our collective socks off. (And Germany could be very interesting. . . .)

    Mercedes’ Formula One dominance could be reaching its end
    First-lap advantage, other factors coming into question
    By: GMM on July 9, 2014
    Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg have been on nearly every Formula One podium so far this season.
    If the latest developments are any indication, Mercedes’ Formula One dominance might not last for too long.
    Last year, we reported a secret under the skin of the silver car named “Fric,” which stands for “front and rear interconnected.”
    Emulating active suspension, the system can now be found all over pit lane, but the FIA’s Charlie Whiting has sent a letter to teams warning that Fric’s legality “could be called into question.”
    An immediate ban is reportedly in the cards. And that’s not all.
    The Spanish sports newspaper Marca reports that the FIA is also considering clamping down on the rate and flow of hybrid power from the new 2014 power units.
    A source was quoted as saying that the actual combustion engines produced by Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault this year are remarkably close in performance, Mercedes’ big advantage comes from the hybrid areas.
    The source said Mercedes’ advantage could be as much as “between 110 to 130 hp on the straights.”
    Finally, Mercedes could be set to lose a first-lap advantage over its rivals, after Williams’ Felipe Massa complained about the behavior of the silver cars on the formation lap at Silverstone.
    “I had to stop twice, pulling in the clutch,” the Brazilian is quoted by Spain’s sports daily AS.
    “They’re doing it [driving slowly] for some reason. We always complain, and Charlie said he was going to fix it, but no one has been penalized yet,” Massa said.
    [me: Given Gary’s description of Massa happily driving his ‘illegal’ Ferrari, these current whines ring a bit hollow.]
    Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140709/f1/140709869#ixzz378BbaBBf
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    • I was referring to the Ferraris of Rubens and Michael as being illegal.

      The fric system is, as you refer to in the link, a SUSPENSION system. Nothing to do with the “hybrid” energy recovery systems of the powertrain.

      • Rubens always seemed so incorruptible. sigh. I confused my Brazilians.
        Actually, I didn’t refer to the ‘fric’ system, Autoweek did. I thought the big news and hope for a more competitive season came with this quote: “…Mercedes’ big advantage comes from the hybrid areas. The source said Mercedes’ advantage could be as much as “between 110 to 130 hp on the straights.” ‘


  9. AutoWeek posted today:
    It’s no secret that Formula One driver Kimi Raikkonen has struggled this year in his return to Ferrari.
    Last week though, in preparation for the British Grand Prix, it was clear that his car was not doing what he wanted it to. A radio transmission from Raikkonen during FP2 reveals the perturbed driver saying his car won’t go straight.
    “I can’t get the car going in a straight line out of the corners,” he can be heard saying. “Car won’t go straight even on straights. I don’t understand it.”
    The transmission proved to be prophetic, as Raikkonen crashed on the first lap of Sunday’s race.

  10. Well well. . . this is not good: The motorsport.com link from Jan Burden’s post and the YouTube link from my post yesterday are now both blocked by “Formula One Management . . . ” for copyright reasons. These were the only links to an overhead video of Kimi’s crash Sunday that I’ve been able to find. If anyone can find an ‘approved’ link, please post it.
    (I think I kind of despise Formula One Management. . .who are those people?)

      • Well this kind of behavior isn’t going to get the Little Ancient One into heaven . . . and were I he it might be something I’d be taking seriously. . .

        On a lighter note, how can withholding race-related information increase LAO’s bank account? What purpose does it serve? Has anyone mentioned that senility doesn’t improve management decisions? Why does everything FoM/LAO does seem insane? (And when did Nicki Lauda stop taking his Valium?)


  11. Jan Burden,
    Thank you for the link to the overhead of Kimi’s accident. I found it also on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0d3OIizN1g. Previously the entire incident was inexplicable and confusing, but the video demonstrates that what the stewards found, an accident, is in fact true.
    Had it not been for the raised and incredibly unsafe curbing the car would not have lost its downforce and Kimi would have kept control. One can clearly see his intended entry point to the track became impossible to execute. Without the ill effect of the curbing it appears he would have re-entered without advantage and, while he would have been penalized for allowing four wheels off the track, it would not have been catastrophic to his race or to Massa’s.
    Again, thank you for providing the evidence needed to understand the situation. One hopes Silverstone removes that curbing before another race is held there.

  12. Dr. Hartstein,

    First, thank you for posting this video. I was not overly familiar with Derek Warwick prior to this although I have followed F1 with varying degrees of intensity for years. I was impressed with his forthrightness and willingness to speak his mind. in doing so, I think that he was fully aware that he would be judged harshly by some and less so by others. His comments were very illuminating not only for what it revealed about his career and his thoughts regarding it but also about racing in general and what it takes for those rare birds (Schumacher, Senna, Clark, Fangio etc) to make it to the very top. We often see supremely talented drivers who can’t seem to make it. Derek’s insight as to how driven, focused and ruthless one has to be to become champion was valued by me.

    I am a bit puzzled by some of the other comments regarding the perception of “disrespect” towards Michael on your part simply because you posted the video and Derek so frankly illustrated what made Michael “different.” I think of drivers like Alesi or G. Villenueve who were extremely gifted pilots and yet did not seem to reach the pinnacle. I think what Michael and Senna (to an even greater extent) had was the belief that they were in the right – always. Like Senna, Michael knew the rulebook well and because of that he knew just exactly how far to take things to ensure the advantage. The big difference between Michael and Senna as I see it is that Senna firmly believed not only that he was right, but that God Herself ordained that he WOULD win! In other contexts this sort of reasoning could cause some problems.

    The takeaway for me is that Derek Warwick had a very firm notion of being a racing driver as a Skilled Trade and that one had to serve an apprenticeship to acquire, then hone the skills needed to succeed. I think he very much views that as a missing element these days and I cannot say I disagree.

    As an aside, I agree completely about Kimi’s driving at Silverstone being penalty-worthy. He could have killed himself and others (track workers particularly) with what I view as a pretty hare-brained move. If he was not aware of the conditions of the runoff areas he should have been. I raced a bit years ago and made it a point to walk the track each morning of the event, not just race day or prior to practice one just to be aware of what has changed (or hasn’t).

    Finally (for which many are thanking God!), thank you so much for this blog!

    • LeBaptist 57,
      Your post was so beautifully written, so sensitively presented, I am almost pained to air a couple of my own observations.
      First, Kimi’s crash, the cause of which perplexed me earlier, was made clear in Jan Burden’s comment and link to the overhead view. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0d3OIizN1g
      Second, you say “…Michael knew the rulebook well and because of that he knew just exactly how far to take things to ensure the advantage”. I would suggest his on track choices demonstrated he didn’t believe the rulebook pertained to him at all. When I read of his impact with the rock whilst skiing off-piste I could only think of how Schumacher’s life was that of the Aristotelian ‘great man/tragic hero’ who can freely aggrandize himself at the expense of others only to be brought down through his own actions.
      [Now I whisper Amen to that subject.]
      Again, I truly enjoyed your elegant expression of rational thought. Gives one hope.

      • lulumoretti,

        Thank you for your kind words regarding my post. A small point about Michael, and then I will move on! I believe full well that Michael believed that the “rules” DID pertain to him but it was his risk/benefit analysis of those rules and how far he could push them and maintain an advantage that was the difference. That said, I agree completely with your “great man/tragic hero” analogy. A Greek playwright of Aristotle’s time would have made a compelling story of Michael’s triumphs and tragedy.

        In re: Kimi. F1 Management has seen fit to remove the video that was linked so I can only comment on what I saw during the race, which included multiple replays from various angles. First, I do not believe that Kimi went over a “curb/kerb.” When the extensive runoff area ended there begins an area of grass. Parallel to the track is a strip of grass with what appears to be a channel filled with gravel, no doubly to handle the runoff from the rain which as you know is quite an issue at Silverstone. Kimi’s apparent unfamiliarity with the features of the track limited his ability to quickly assess and react to the changing surface conditions and so he rashly decided to have a full off-track excursion with full application of throttle. I agree completely with Lauda (not something I automatically do) that Kimi bears a large share of the blame on this one.

        To your point about the safety of the track. I noted in my earlier post that when I was a humble amateur racer I walked the track often. One of the things I ALWAYS looked at were the areas where I thought it likely that I might go off the track and how smoothly the track surface blended with the infield grass. As Buxton noted, Kimi does not bother with mundane tasks such as a track walk. Track safety HAS to include the active participation of the driver and in fact all of the participants including track workers. Silverstone is not a street circuit or a temporary track such as the one built in the parking lots of Las Vegas in the ’80’s (Thank Zeus!). As part of the safety concern it has to be able accommodate not only cars leaving the racing surface, but things such as rain so as to not have hydroplaning, etc impacting the cars/drivers. This is a point on which I particularly agree with Lauda: we cannot in totality design out of the equation risk in motor racing. I would make the point that if we could somehow build a track that were risk-free (and I do not mean that I do not want tracks that minimize risk of injury) when one leaves the track surface, what skill is required then to keep the car ON the racing surface?

        Kimi has the talent to be a brilliant driver. Kimi has had brilliant drives throughout his career. He has also shown that he can be disinterested in the task at hand. This incident was one of those times. I, for one, am happy that the car and the safety design of the track protected him from more serious injury.


      • Lulu, I think your comments about Michael are a little harsh.
        A champion of his calibre, from his particularly humble background which all his life put a chip on his shoulder and which, in my humble opinion, plays a large part of how his current predicament is being dealt with by his family, is always going to push the boundaries to his advantage. Senna did, Piquet did, Rosberg Snr did, even Prost wasn’t the saint he is made out to be.
        Towards the end of his career he became a different person. I have watched many interviews with Michael in his native language (I happen to speak German). He came acres as an entirely different man. Thoughtful and reserved, and very much a family man. On track he was a man of steel for whom compromise meant losing, but isn’t that the hallmark of a true champion?
        And brought down by his own actions? Strictly true I suppose, but goodness, no man deserves what happened to Michael. Not even Michael!

      • Not sure “out of order” is the operant term, but certainly they were strongly expressed. Niki and valium? Charlie himself was pretty critical of Niki and his comments; the Austrian is someone who by his “franc parler” almost invites over the top comments. This comments section has seen MUCH worse, usually directed at fellow commenters! I’m sure we can cut Lulu significant slack – trust me, the most over the top comments never make it past my inbox.

        Respect is due Michael as a man, and as the victim of a terrible accident. But as a driver? As far as I’m concerned, when speaking of his record on the circuit, all’s fair in love and war. Memories of Mika H in Macau F3, of Damon H, Jacques V, David C, of innumerable competitors pushed towards or onto the grass, or towards the pit wall, don’t fade quickly, as they constitute for many some of the most egregiously anti-sportsmanlike behaviour in recent motor racing history. Yes I understand the drive to win, and I understand how ruthless one must be to win championship after championship. LISTEN to Derek’s interview – I’m not sure AT ALL that the full set of characteristics that make a champion a champion are something we want to encourage our children to have. I for one MUCH prefer a dignified, passionate and compassionate racer who is a full human being, as opposed to a shark-like win-at-all-costs machine.

        I remember siting at the pit exit with Sid in Barcelona during Friday practice. All the cars were doing practice starts right next to the Medical Car, and consistently leaving 10 metres of rubber as they got away . . . all, that is except Rubens and Michael. The two Ferraris were dropping into 1st gear, letting out the clutch, and sputtering for a fraction of a second. Then, the rear wheels would make 1/8th of a turn, bite, and off they went. No wheelspin, no rubber, just a slight cough of the engine, and gone. I was amazed at how dramatically different the start behaviour of the red cars was when compared with the cars of EVERY other constructor.

        After about 5 or 10 of these starts, Sid turned to me with a curious look and asked “Are you seeing what I’m seeing old boy?”

        It was, and is, more clear than that day is day and night, night that those Ferraris were illegal, and that they were flagrantly running a banned traction control system. And this, scant years after the discovery of (illegal) launch control software in Michael’s Benetton.

        I’ve never felt it wise or satisfying to make heroes of cheaters, or to celebrate the exploits of those so ruthless that customary standards of behaviour are felt not to apply to them.

        This is my opinion only, and applies to all aspects of life, not just to racing, and certainly not just to Michael Schumacher.

        In terms of this comments section, and any eventual responses to my response, I will not allow this to degenerate into a debate about Michael’s ethics as a driver, ruthlessness in general, or how long and obviously Ferrari cheated. Don’t bother writing it – your comments will not be published. I fully accept that many of you admire, respect, even love Michael as a driver and perhaps even as a person. You are more than entitled to your feelings, and far be it from me to even think about letting this section be where one attempts to sway you to think otherwise. I knew the driver, (only barely knew the person), and was often revolted by what I saw. But I also saw, over and over, the joy he brought to so many with his talent at the wheel. Once again, and thankfully, it takes all kinds of us to make the world go ’round.

      • I’m pretty ambivalent on the “was Michael Schumacher a nice guy topic” … frankly I just feel sorry for for where he is now, and therefore err somewhat on the ‘give him a break’ side when making judgements.
        BUT, the comment you make about the Ferrari starts did actually rather shock me, and I suspect if the comments go beyond this blog (which I hope they do) they will cause quite a stir.
        I know there was always the doubt surrounding the Benetton “sleeping software” thing when Michael was driving for them, and I always put that down to the presence of Flavio Briatore in the team, but unless my head was in the sand further than I thought, I have never heard similar accusations of dodgy software levelled against Ferrari.
        Let others more qualified than I comment in greater detail, but it does seem there is thus a common denominator in both camps ….. and he’s “gone fishing ….”

  13. Gary,
    I’m surprised your blog isn’t packed with hosannas to everyone who has contributed to driver safety these past several decades! Kimi leaves the track at 150mph, careens into the barrier with an impact of 47G, the car comes to a rest across the track and. . .there’s no need for an ambulance! There’s only the medical car and then Kimi is out, up, and and hobbles along with the help of an assistant. I read he has bruised legs and ankles and might not make testing later this week, but will drive in Germany in two weeks! This is celebration time.

    (If Senna had the benefit of Kimi’s car he’d be 54 now. . .)

    • You’re totally right, Lulu. Another amazing demonstration of how to take a terrifyingly dangerous sport and turn it into something where immense forces are channelled and controlled precisely to avoid injuring the sportsmen.

      Thanks for keeping that sense of wonder each and every time!

      • Gary,
        I read on Will Buxton’s blog that Kimi should be benched for the German GP. Hmm.

        A group of us watched the race and wondered: What was Kimi thinking? Seemed like a wild choice to keep pedal to metal off track. The curb made the car airborne, but was it Kimi alone who put the car in that situation? Was he angry with his back of the grid position and driving with emotion rather than his famous icy rational brain?

        Improved safety measures allow drivers more latitude to race with fury or desperation, but they are in control of a multi-million dollar vehicle constructed by hundreds of dedicated technicians, as well as the fate of themselves and those around them on the track. They must bring good sense and maturity to their work or do something else on Sunday. Perhaps Kimi’s car suffered a mechanical failure that hasn’t been discovered yet? Or perhaps the failure was his alone. I don’t know.

      • Hi Lulu. I think Will was spot on in his analysis.


        While in an ideal world, every possible deviation from an ideal surface will be removed from every square centimetre of every circuit, until that utopian day, drivers can and do realise that there are areas of the circuit that are SO not meant to be driven on that they need to exert considerable caution when venturing into them.

        No one would have complained had Kimi wrecked his car driving around on the service roads of Interlagos. I’d maintain that the grassy area through which Kimi streaked, no, hurtled, was essentially the same. Unless he’d reconnoitred the area during his or her track walk, no reasonable driver would do what Kimi did. He “drove” through this area as if he were certain it was practicable. It wasn’t.

        These guys are the best at their jobs. That level of professionalism implies several duties and responsibilities. Shirk these and pay the price. Excellent physical fitness. Emotional and mental strength. And a track walk. It’s like the pilot’s checklist. Michael always knew where and how he could rejoin, and on at least one occasion put this to spectacular use. And anomalies and potential dangers are often brought up by the drivers at the Friday driver’s briefing for action by Charlie.

        What Kimi did was remarkably silly, and could have had dramatic consequences. In the interest of driving standards, he needs to be punished.

      • Perhaps I have been watching too much Sprint car racing here in the US where racers keep their foot in it. It is a race, isn’t it? Anyway, I was wondering why everybody was so quick to have Kimi’s head on a stick, so I went to http://www.motorsport.com and into the Video search area I found exactly what I was looking for. An overhead shot of the mishap.
        It appears Kimi got much too close to somebody who was on the inside of the turn and for whatever reasons he elected to go off in control From overhead, the area is quite open. Open that is until after a section of asphalt, the area turns into grass, which ends in a wall protecting the overpass. From the time he went off, to the time he came back on was 4 seconds. I know F-1 cars can stop, but Kimi was NOT going to stop in that area in 4 seconds at the speed he was carrying. He certainly was NOT going to stop after he hit the grass area which, I am sure, he could see as it was fronting something I am certain he did not want to hit. And, given that he is a race driver and this was a race, he did not want to stop at all.
        When you look at the overhead video, you can see a small area between the end of the asphalt and the start of the grass, which appears to lead back to the track. Kimi appears to steer for this and goes over part of it. Now, I think we all should keep in mind that he is AT SPEED making these decisions and it is all well and good for us couch racers, myself included, to criique his decisions, but WE WEREN’T THERE.
        It was certainly his bad luck that the area he chose to reenter the track was as it was, but at that point his lot was cast. He was going back on the track no matter what. Would he have chosen a different course of action had he known the track was as it was? Who knows.
        I would like to know how many of the other drivers racing in yesterdays race actually went down to that corner and said to themselves, “well, I sure don’t want to go off there”. Somebody take a poll.

      • I’d bet a fair percentage of the really good guys had a VERY good idea of the existence of that depression in the grass. I’m talking about the Vettels, the Alonsos, Ricciardo, Rosberg, etc. For sure Mark Webber would’ve brought it up at the briefing. They are (were) like that. And if bad luck brought their cars and that place together, all necessary precautions would be taken. Kimi’s race was not going to be significantly improved by keeping his foot in it at that part of the circuit, at that moment. Pretty much any video-gamer can tell you that. He may, just may, have learned his lesson. Now the regulatory authority needs to make sure others in doubt learn the lesson too.

      • The near miss Max Chilton suffered is of note too. Apparently a wheel from Kimi’s rapidly disintegrating car whizzed past his ear and missed him by a few inches. Now that could have been nasty.
        GP’s through history are littered with drivers going for an off-track excursion and forgetting to lift off the loud pedal …it made for interesting watching and was apparently particularly attractive to women who felt such rough driving at speeds close to 200 mph across the infield was indicative of the driver’s machismo (I remember Clay Regazzoni spent more time flailing about in the boondocks than he did on-track) …. these days it’s regarded as bad form and a risk to the health n’ safety of the driver and everyone else. Pity really. Isn’t it all part and parcel of the spectacle?
        Btw Lauda on Valium? Come off it …. he’s about as well adjusted as they come!
        “Kimi made a mistake and hit the guard rail low. I guarantee no one will hit that spot again. There are too many rules. A lot of people will go home or switch off the TV”
        Yup … and I was one of them!

  14. Lost all respect for Warwick after he helped out Rosberg at Monaco. Comments were completely unprofessional and the man should never be appointed as a steward.

  15. Clyde,
    Your note to me was posted in a reply to Mark H, so I’m responding to you on a different thread. First, please know I do not have a dog in this hunt. I never had a preference for Senna vs Prost. However, when you say “Its obvious to the full world including all former drivers and the courts that his steering column failed…except those involved in the Williams cover up which includes hill” I’d have to suggest that perhaps the steering column was just one component in the Senna crash.

    By Imola, Senna was 20 points down to Schumacher, hated the car, had girlfriend miseries, and so wanted the steering wheel lengthened with the hope it would improve the car’s handling and his life in general; apparently the welding wasn’t very good, but whether it actually caused his crash into the barrier is still subject to debate. I think Patrick Head was charged with responsibility, but was spared by the statute of limitations. Adrian Newey’s charges were dismissed.

    In January 1994 Autoweek interviewed Senna:
    “I have a very negative feeling about driving the car and driving it on the limit and so on. Therefore I didn’t have a single run or a single lap that I felt comfortable or reasonably confident. I am uncomfortable in the car. It all feels wrong. We changed the seat and the wheel, but even so I was already asking for more room. Going back to when we raced at Estoril last September (on testing the passive Williams at the same track 4 months later), it feels much more difficult. Some of that is down to the lack of electronic change. Also, the car has its own characteristics which I’m not fully confident in yet. It makes you a lot more tense and that stresses you.”

    Imola 1994 was a very bleak weekend before the race even began. One death, one injury, and lots of bad karma. Senna was a kind of god to Frank Williams and every effort was made to placate him, to make him happy. Alas, the only thing that would have made him happy was to beat the young German, and that wasn’t going to happen.

    • llumoretti
      You suggest that perhaps the steering column was just one component in the Senna crash. Don’t you think its a pretty large component as he couldnt steer the car without it
      You also say that he wanted the steering wheel lengthened with the hope it would improve the car’s handling .
      …..I would like to gently remind you that it was the steering column not the wheel and the lengthening was not to improve the cars handling but to improve the driving comfort in the cockpit.

      • Clyde,
        The various trials surrounding Senna’s death lumbered through the courts for 13 years and in the end I don’t believe there was any definitive cause of the crash established.
        As for Schumacher’s car being illegal. . . I don’t think he was too bothered by things being illegal. (But we don’t want to get into that, do we?)

      • lulumoretti
        The Williams team was entangled for many years in a court case with the Italian prosecutors over manslaughter charges, ending in a guilty verdict for Patrick Head. The Italian Court of Appeal, stated the following “It has been determined that the accident was caused by a steering column failure. This failure was caused by badly designed and badly executed modifications. The responsibility of this falls on Patrick Head, culpable of omitted control”. Even being found responsible for Senna’s accident, Patrick Head wasn’t arrested as in Italy the statute of limitation for manslaughter is 7 years and 6 months
        A 600-page technical report was submitted by Bologna University under Professor of Engineering Enrico Lorenzini and his team of specialists. The report concluded that fatigue cracks had developed through 70% of the steering column at the point where it had broken. Lorenzini stated: “It had been badly welded together about a third of the way down and couldn’t stand the strain of the race. We discovered scratches on the crack in the steering rod. It seemed like the job had been done in a hurry but I can’t say how long before the race. Someone had tried to smooth over the join following the welding. I have never seen anything like it. I believe the rod was faulty and probably cracked even during the warm-up. Moments before the crash only a tiny piece was left connected and therefore the car didn’t respond in the bend.”

        As for the Williams coverup

        During the trials, Fabrizio Nosco, a Regional technical commissioner, testified that both of the vehicle’s black boxes were intact, except for minor scratches. He said “I have seen thousands of these devices and removed them for checks. The two boxes were intact, even though they had some scratches. The Williams device looked to have survived the crash.”. In a move that apparently breached FIA regulations, Charles Whiting, a FIA official, handed the black boxes to Williams before the regulating body’s own investigation into the accident. Williams claimed the black boxes were unreadable, and the boxes returned for the court proceedings were indeed unreadable, a full month after the accident.

  16. Firstly review the Derek Warwick – Raw Racing…

    From 21:10 onwards…

    Lotus were talking to Derek Warwick about being equal No 1 status at Lotus… Derek had a contract with Lotus…

    However when Derek Warwick arrived at Lotus, Derek Warwick mentioned that he was left without a drive by Lotus, after having put “all his eggs in one basket!” That was because Ayrton Senna was not happy with him joining Lotus.

    Lotus gave Derek an explanation as to why they would NOT sign Derek Warwick. The explanation given by Lotus, (I have précised the points made and tried to be as accurate as I can);

    [1] Ayrton thought that Derek would be too much of a distraction for the team. British driver, British team.
    [2] Ayrton didn’t think that Lotus could run two Number 1 cars.
    [3] Ayrton wanted the spare car, 100% for himself. Ayrton wanted to be number 1 in the team.
    [4] Ayrton put BIG pressure on the sponsor for Derek to be taken away from the team.
    [5] Ayrton wanted a Number 2. Derek then said that he was prepared to be a No 2 driver, but still Ayrton didn’t want him in the team.
    [6] Ayrton thought Derek would be a problem for him.
    [7] Derek Warwick was left without a drive. Ayrton didn’t care! Ayrton only cared about Ayrton.

    THEN compare what happened with how Ayrton Senna treated Derek Warwick at Lotus, with how Ayrton Senna was treated by Alain Prost and McLaren…

    Prost On Senna SkySportsF1HD *Senna Week* Part 1

    Watch it and compare… Prost thought about the general best interests of the team and so suggested that McLaren pick Ayrton Senna…

    THEN compare ALL the above, with his outburst by Ayrton Senna…

    Ayrton Senna Calls Prost A Coward.mpg

    From 1:59 onwards…

    BTW, I have taken the time to try and get the ‘transcription’ right.

    Senna: “I think if Prost wants to be called a Champion, a three times World Champion and come back in a ‘sportive (sporting) way’, maybe win another Championship, he should be ‘sportive’ (sporting)!”

    “The way he (Prost) is doing, he (Prost) is behaving like a coward.”

    “If he (Prost) wants to ‘sportive’ (sporting), he (Prost) must be prepared to race anybody, at any conditions, at equal terms and not the way he (Prost) wants to win the Championship. Everything has been laid out for him, before he (Prost) starts.”

    “Like if you go a 100 metre sprint and you want to have running shoes and everybody also has, is due to have ‘ledge’… (Can’t work that word out, could Senna be referring to cloggs!!) The film is cut here!!”

    “That is the way he (Prost) wants to race and that is bad for all of us. That is it!”

    Last shot of Nigel Mansell and Gerhard Berger trying to hide their emotions (Smiles…) from an agitated Ayrton Senna!

    I thought I would share, because of the ‘strangeness’ by which these events have unfolded. When you have the time to look back and review them, it makes Derek Warwick’s insights even more poignant…

    • Mark H,
      Beware. You are treading on thin ice with this (fascinating) post! (there may be a Senna obsessive afoot)
      I am reminded of a full page opinion article in Autoweek by Prost after Senna’s death in which he analyzed the conditions of the Imola track, Senna’s Williams, and Senna’s mind. In short: the track was dirty, the Williams unwieldy, the mind refusing to allow the kid Schumacher to chew him up. So he overdrove track, car, and judgement and ended up dead. (Needless to say Senna fans were not amused.)

    • Mark h
      Prost says he thought about the general best interests of the team !! .If you listen to Ron Denis version of how Senna came to McLaren there is no mention of Prost

      Also Prost vetoed Senna from Williams in 1993
      It appears that your entire knowledge of Senna originates from youtube which is sad as Senna was much more than that.

    • Mark h
      Prost says he thought about the general best interests of the team !! .If you listen to Ron Denis version of how Senna came to McLaren there is no mention of Prost

      Also Prost vetoed Senna from Williams in 1993
      It appears that your entire knowledge of Senna originates from youtube which is sad as Senna was much more than that.

  17. Quick thanks for the link to the Warwick interview. It was certainly riveting viewing. And………your interview was equally insightful and riveting. I think you nailed it with the reasons for the termination of your services. I could go on, but it is discouraging that some of your most simple suggestions, the professional medical forums, for example, were neglected. Maybe us Americans just don’t play well with antiquated, stratified, calcified obstructionists. I saved the interview. There are many life lessons in it.

    • “…antiquated, stratified, calcified obstructionists”
      Jan burden,
      After watching Gary’s interview I really wondered what the FIA is for and who/what it’s serving. It’s mission statement is to ‘represent the interests of motoring organizations and motor car users’. Hm. Granted, it’s been around for 110 years so it may be a bit creaky, but I don’t believe it’s actions indicate it’s function is other than to serve itself. It’s ‘non-profit’ with ‘volunteer members’. Maybe so. But then why does it behave like a French Vatican (but without the silk slippers)?

      • Trust me Lulu, the silk slippers are very much there.

        At a time when the FIA is aggressively restricting how many euros the FIA F1 tech team spend on dinner (remember, these are the guys who make the championship run, and who are away for a WEEK for each race!), Todt flies private EVERYWHERE. With his mates. Who have no official role in the FIA.

        No, the clear impression is that the hierarchy of the FIA is primarily interested in personal aggrandisement, enrichment, and furthering what looks to me to be future political intentions. Certainly not a primary interest in the wellbeing of the sport! And despite milking “road safety” for all it’s worth (hobnobbing with PMs and Ministers of Transport), at an objective level, it’s pretty clear that the impact of this program is effectively the square root of . . . well, the square root of fuck all.

  18. (and maybe other stuff ….)

    The season is upon us…that silliest time of the year.

    You live in the waffle center of the world and in, arguably, the center of waffle techno deliciousness…Leige. .. Please indulge us with a tale of mouthfeel scrumptiousness as you wander your beautiful city pondering the future of F1, Please share that wonderful crunch of a Leige waffle and the delightful flavor of Pearl sugar in your most elegant prose.

    Until then, i remain a big white dog feigning sleep while my human labors over his faux Yankee version of a Leige delicacy.

    Woof…love Astro

  19. I read some of the comments in this thread before looking at the video and was fully expecting a character assassination of MS. What I found was an interesting, thoughtful and at moments very touching interview.
    Derek Warwick never really shone as an F1 driver, and had much more success, like many of his F1 contemporaries, in Sports Car racing. But more than his racing career, what makes the man stand out from many of his era, is the contribution he has made to safety and the way in which he approaches the question of stewardship in a balanced and professional manner.
    The interview is primarily factual. There is candid comment on the mentality of certain drivers, but always with the acceptance that that is probably what it takes to get to the top, so to me there is no insult as such.
    Regarding the less rational comments here, I have to say that I think they reveal underlying issues that probably need to be dealt with, if this interview has sparked such an emotional response. That’s not a criticism, but intended to be a constructive thought.
    I shall now lower my head below the parapet.

    • BTW, on the subject of driver interviews, I have always liked the James Hunt one on Thames TV. Articulate, quote thoughtful at times, and shows him to be a more interesting person than the 1-dimensional playboy character he is often portrayed as.
      I won’t post a link, but if you search for “James Hunt – Formula 1 – Thames Television” on Youtube it is there.

    • VISH!
      Rise from behind the parapet and stand tall! You are among friends. Rationality will prevail and all will be well on this little bloggy island.
      Yes. The interview was beautiful, really, and Mr. Warwick was so introspective, so able to express his emotions and his reasoning, I found him a great example of the compleat man. I was thinking it would be wonderful if we could watch interviews of the current drivers, but then I thought no, the sixty year old has the benefit of hind sight, perspective, and a greater understanding of himself and his fellow travelers. (though 45 minutes with Kimi would be fun. . . maybe excruciating, but fun. . .)

  20. Thank you Doc! I can’t wait to view this profile of a driver I’ve always admired. If it’s anywhere near as entertaining as the profile Mario did you of, I suspect I’m in for a great treat.

    Thanks for what you’ve done for the sport, and thanks for what you’re doing for those of us who hang on your every post. Keep it up, please!

  21. Derick walked all 17 British tracks after the death of his brother Paul. He pushed them to make changes to make the tracks safer with Armco and increased run off – for all the racers to come – including I’m sure – MS. Did those complaining not watch this video, not listen to what was said?

    This is what the Doc fights for, this is what his predecessor fought for – for years. To make this glorious sport safer so our heros can push to the limits to excite is and still come home at the end of the day – rolling across the finish line with checkers or walking out of the trackside hospital.

    This isn’t about a perceived slight to MS – this is a story of THIS mans life – Derick Warwick – and I for one am very glad the Doc shared this and would expect no less.

    Mario is a fantastic videographer – this is priceless history – you should all be thankful someone is doing this before all these great and almost great heros of F1 are gone.

  22. Gary….. It has EVERYTHING to do with BAD TASTE and RESPECT. In your lame attempt to directly upset ME personally by insinuating my demise into a pathological state, you have INSULTED & no doubt HURT EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has ever suffered a personal loss & NOT recovered in six months. That’s just shameful but not surprising from doctors, like you, whom lack the compassionate grace of bedside manner, as it were.
    Two suggestions:
    A) Consult ANY bereavement expert & they will tell you how cruel & inappropriate your accusation was.
    B) Please re-read my post above. I believe it clearly states that what bothered me MOST was your insensitive timing in posting that particular video in which D.W. slings invectives towards Michael’s character. I suppose I should reiterate; I am all for free speech and I was merely defending a dear friend who is lying in a coma and can’t defend himself against such allegations.

    I expect nothing more or less than total ignorance from those of you who weren’t fans of Michael Schumacher, like Peter, Morgan, Lorna, Jacque etc. ………. But YOU Dr. Hartstein, who began to blog FOR Michael’s fans worldwide whom you felt had been dealt a blow of undeserved injustice by the news blackout …… have now suddenly opted for the ” it’s been 6 months, get over it, he’s dead to us” school of thought. Now that really IS disturbing. I’m so glad you sleep well at night because after what you had the gall to write, I certainly won’t be the only person who has lost considerable respect for you. And I for one WILL lose sleep because I put my heart & trust in a doctor whom I THOUGHT had a heart of gold, not coal.

    • Thank you,Belize, for writing. One thing – one should be aware of writing very personal things, so that one will not get hurt, if some other one expresses a different view. This is how I look at it. You have had a personal relationship to Michael Schumacher, most people here have not had that. Take care of your memories and yourself!

  23. What a gift. This is a fascinating conversation with a man who has lived a very brave and examined life. Because we all have a shared humanity, when someone is willing to delve deeply into his/her motives, choices, and response to the results of those (in many cases life-changing) choices, there is much to be learned. (And the role happenstance plays is more than a little scary.)
    . . . . .
    —Ahem. . . when the clanging was (too briefly) absent, coherence and decorum could reign. Of course, one may scroll past the noise, but hysteria has a certain leaking quality. . .

  24. Dr. Gary,
    Thanks for posting that – it’s an excellent interview. Having followed motorsport since the early 60’s, it brings back many memories – I still recall the utter shock of Paul Warwick’s untimely death. As for the hysterical abuse from some here about MS – why is DW wrong to say what is the truth? Just because a human being suffers an accident doesn’t suddenly make them a paragon of virtue – and Schumacher, on track, at least, was certainly NOT that (other than Warwick’s reference to the Barichello incident, there are, of course the ’94 & ’97 accidents with Hill and Villeneuve). And Warwick’s comments are not made “third-hand” – he raced against (and beat) Schumacher, and is in a far, far better position than us to make a judgement.

    • Let me stand by you if you got abused because of your comments, because I felt the same. We are here for doctor’s insights on head injury and racing, both are interested to learn, and always beautifully written therefore a joy to read. We all share deep sadness toward schumacher not because he is a likable person, or the opposite for that matter, but because he is a person, any person, famous or not, who is in a tragedy and broke anyone’s heart. This is not a MS fan club I hope.

      • Thanks Laura. Quite frankly, negative comments on the internet from strangers don’t impact on my life one bit. What does pee me off is an informative and interesting blog like this being hijacked by hysteria driven and wild accusations as to others motives and personal qualities. Anyway, back to the subject in hand …………….

  25. I am with Dr. Hartstein on this. Derek Warwick came across very well. After all, the best cars can only go as fast as they go, how do you, as a driver make the difference? where is the line you will not cross? Michaels was further than Dereks it seems.

  26. Thanks for posting the video. It was fascinating to listen to someone from that era describe the times so eloquently. I will be sure to check out his other videos when i get some free time.
    I must admit that while i never wished him any ill, i was never a fan of Schumacher. I had great admiration for his talent. But i simply got bored of him winning.
    Having said that, i was the same with Senna.

    Keep up the great blog. I always find your posts fascinating.

  27. I can’t believe the blinkered comments on here. So sorry you’ve received so much disgust from “fans”. I personally am absolutely fine with what Derek has said – mainly because I remember the incident happening so well and it has always been there in my memory and that’s why I have never liked Michael Schumacher. However, I would NEVER wish him ill. When he had his accident at Silverstone, I’ll admit I was secretly happy for a few seconds before realising how horrible that was to think that way. After that, I just put up with him.

    Derek was extremely brave to talk about all of this in such a blunt and honest manner. Shame people didn’t actually take the time and listen to the exact reasons why he doesn’t like Schumacher. If you didn’t watch it: it’s because Michael crashed into him because he kept taking pole away from him by going faster. This was the FIRST race back after Derek’s little brother Paul had died. Michael knew this. It’s inexcusable. Senna would not have done that.

    So sorry that people feel the need to get all angry over this. I for one thank you Gary for posting such a strong, insightful interview.

    • Secretly happy when he had his accident at Silverstone? That certainly says a lot about you..incredibly insensitive post and to speak that way of a man in a coma? I can’t even muster up pity for someone as heartless and insensitive as you

    • Jacquie wrote:
      “I have never liked Michael Schumacher. However, I would NEVER wish him ill. When he had his accident at Silverstone, I’ll admit I was secretly happy for a few seconds”

      OMG!!! Hypocrite: Someone who practices hypocrisy, who pretends to hold beliefs, or whose actions are not consistent with their claimed beliefs.

  28. You know Doc. Of all the videos you could have posted, I’m really surprised that you would put up a video of some ancient driver that would insult Michael Schumacher when so many of us came to your blog because they were devastated by what happened to our Michael; and ON the 6 month anniversary of Michael’s devastating accident. I spent the whole of June 29 crying my eyes out. And instead of putting up your own Vlog, I have to say I’m really disappointed in your lack of respect for Michael Schumacher.

    • I think it is the prerogative of Dr Hartstein to post anything he likes it is his circus and his monkeys.
      .Also if you refer to Derek Warwick as ancient what does that make someone who met little 6 year old Mikey Schumacher 39 years ago at Kerpin kart track in Germany, after patting him on the back & messing up his hair in 1975 .

    • Peter, Thank you for posting the precise time D.W. made that spiteful insult towards Michael’s character. You saved me from having to waste my time listening to the D.W.’s story; a whole hour of my time would have been squandered. Of ALL the videos the Doc. could have posted …….. ???? …….. If I had any idea that he would choose to be so insensitive towards someone he professed to be a friend of. Well, lucky for me that I checked for comments before frittering away my time listening to yet another criticism of Michael’s driving style. Most ALL race drivers are/were DIRTY at one time or another, even the great Senna. As a matter of fact HE was the worst & ironically Michael’s idol; until he actually got on the track with him. I WAS THERE. I watched the races. But jealous drivers loved to pick on Michael because he WAS THE BEST. Just like D.W., there are jealous crybabies even today. Just look at Hamilton, a major cry baby on the grid. I was embarrassed for him when reported Nico for cheating in Monaco. Or Perez who almost killed poor Massa & then walked away from him in the hospital. There are a lot of assholes on the F1 grid just as there are some really nice guys, like Magnasun, Bottas, & Seb (Vettel), just to mention a few. And as for Hamilton, he NEVER liked Michael Schumacher, regardless of the lies he reports to the media; invidious crybaby.
      One thing Michael Schumacher DIDN’T DO was MUMBLE. I have NO DOUBT that IF Michael walked over to D.W with the intention of apologising, he would have done so sincerely OR he wouldn’t have gone over at all. This, I’m sure of.
      Why do I believe I know that? Because after looking back into my records I realized that I had met little 6 year old Mikey Schumacher 39 years ago at Kerpin kart track in Germany, after patting him on the back & messing up his hair in 1975 which began a special friendship that lasted into 2013, when I spoke to him for the last time.
      I AM TRAUMATIZED ……… I’m cut off from him now indefinitely & I will NEVER EVER look into his beautiful eyes or hear him laughing again.
      This is my FINAL post on this blog. I wish all his fans, love, strength & gratitude but mostly for the emotional support you’ve given me in the previous months. I will miss so many of you ………. Jason, my dear, I’ve decided to take your advice & publish when the TIME IS RIGHT. I would NEVER sully his name or break his confidences in me. I’ve already had a couple of publishing agents contact me …… but I guarantee you will ALL see the “hired monkey’s” book published before mine. Why would she give away FREE INFORMATION if millions of fans could & WILL make her rich? …… WHY INDEED ……


      PS. For me, D.W. stand for two completely different words. I hope being cryptic is less HARSH for you, Doc. & you will post this (my) final comment.

      • Belize, please don’t leave the blogs, I am so sorry you have been upset by Doc posting this video and to me it was in poor taste.
        Look forward to you staying in touch. Hugs my friend

      • This has nothing to do with “taste” or “respect”. It has to do with a fascinating interview with a man who drove racing cars, who has a wonderful story to tell, in part because of his experiences with other drivers. It is fascinating also because of how Derek reveals himself as a man. That Michael didn’t only make friends, especially among his contemporaries, is no secret. It is also not my problem, and certainly not a criteria I use for “editorial” decisions here.

        Those of you who feel that my encouraging people to watch Mario’s portrait of Derek Warwick is in bad taste, or disrespectful, or both, you are of course entitled to your opinions. Your perception of this as problematic is just that – YOUR perception. And you are entitled to take any action you wish in response to these perceived slights. I promise you I will sleep very well tonight, regardless. And it is of course obvious that I have ABSOLUTELY nothing to apologise for. On the contrary, I want this portrait to be seen as widely as possible, both as recognition of the lovely work of my friend Mario, and for the fantastic effect this will have on how people conceive of “the racing driver”.

      • I’m am not going to dignify Ms. Belize’s absurd and somewhat incoherent rant with a direct reply but want to make it clear that my comment about him not liking Schumacher was made tongue in cheek and meant as an amused observation within the whole piece.
        Of course he ‘liked’ Michael – every driver on the grid liked Michael off track, and most were in utter awe of him on – and Derek Warwick was one of the last real drivers and characters of the old school! A man’s man who, as they say in Yorkshire, “called a spade a bloody shovel!” 🙂
        Any man who can have a car more or less land on top of him, upside down and in 1000 pieces, get out, shrug, RUN back to the pits and get in another can certainly have my babies! 🙂

      • Oh Belize, my heart is breaking for you for the pain you’re still in six months on from that awful day. Please don’t leave this blog, Jan and I and others I am sure would miss you so much. But you must do what is right for you. Whatever happens I do hope we can stay in touch my dear friend.

        Love to you. Sue. Xx

      • I’m reasonably certain that mental health professionals say that beyond six months, mourning is starting to become pathological, and it is often time to start thinking about finding “solutions” to help close the grieving process and heal. This is almost always largely accomplished by six months, even by those closest to the person mourned for.

      • Belize, I want to respect your feelings. One cannot say, I think, that there is a six months’ limit to mourning. Every situation is so different.

        What DW said on the video is his view, his experiences.

      • What I said was that after 6 months of intrusive, invalidating mourning, experts would begin to ask whether or not it has become pathological.

        As you say, everyone is different. But one person’s extended mourning must neither be allowed to invalidate the feelings of others, nor to hinder their right to say what’s on their mind without fear.

      • Dr Gary, Agree with your last paragraph, that was what I wanted to convey with my last paragraph too.

      • @ belize
        Even though we all feel for Michael the stark truth of the matter is simply that he was not the most honest or truthful driver around and that’s putting it mildly. Given his current condition it would not be appropriate to give you examples to justify my statement and I think you and the entire world probably know them all. Also comparing Sennas conduct to Michaels is plain silly as the 1990 incident was a result of the combination of the extreme provocation of the previous year when he was disqualified after winning the race even after Prost collided with him and the decision of Prosts fellow frenchmen Balestre to shift pole on the dirty side of the track in 1990 theareby trying to fix the result two years in a row.
        It was a stand against injustice.
        In comparison Michaels numerous misdemeanors were without provocation and only fed by personal greed and ambition. Furthermore I don’t ever remember Senna winning in illegal cars.
        Derek warwicks interview was simply great and he has risen in my estimation not only as a GP driver but as a man. In his interview he is merely telling it as it is an is not trying to sully your god ….For that matter neither is Dr Hartstein

      • Thank you for posting the precise time D.W. made that spiteful insult towards Michael’s character.

        Heh Heh im doubled up in laughter 🙂

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